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lionel

I stumbled across your blog purely by accident but was delighted by what I read. I found your analysis to be incredibly well thought out and I find myself agreeing with virtually every point. I would ask you to expound on the ideal of secular humanism. What are its central tenents, and how are they manifested in contemporary society? Given that this is a system of morals generated by people, what is to preserve its integrity, from the corruption of those who would rather not adhere to its restrictions? Although I am an aethiest, is there not a valid argument to be made that an absolute set of morals is required in order to preserve society's functioning? Your thoughts please.

Bruce DeBoer

Interesting thoughts and good points. Here are some tangents that came to mind as I read:

- Define "God" - I think if you ask 10 people you'd get at least 9 different answers. Therefore the word is nearly useless.
- From a distance we are one, therefore Left, Right, Science, Religion, Eastern Philosophies, you name it, are all tied together. Finding the common ground is a moral imperative. Maybe even the only absolute.
- Before the Big Bang there was no knowledge. Definitions began when there was evidence of what was not; I know nothing until I know what I am not. Divide by two and finally I can say, “I know who I am, I am not the other”. Thus being true, we can all trace back to a common existence; there is oneness. Define that oneness and label it “God” and is no atheism or nihilism.

I make these fairly random points primarily because I lack the patience to weave a dialog as complex as yours since I am certain it would take at least that to express thoughts in full.

Thanks for the read.

Bruce DeBoer

Also ... thanks for the photos. You must have taken at least ONE marketing course in College.

lost in translation

Great Post, Blogerette, as usual. Well composed and terrific subject matter.

Each individual has the right to live with the maximum amount of freedom possible without it infringing on the freedom of others. All personal law can be based on this principle. It's a simple code to live by, but one that results in an ethical standpoint as pure and as noble as any religious one. It's based on reason rather than superstition, and this gives it a strength that no religious morality could ever have.

So take yer god and bang it ;)

Bloggerette

Bruce-

- Define "God" - I think if you ask 10 people you'd get at least 9 different answers. Therefore the word is nearly useless.--

It is clear that different people refer to different concepts when they say 'God'. It is not meaningless as we live in a society where the concept of God has been developed through a number of organizaed institutions such as Churches. It at least provides a general framework for what God means in the western world. 'God' in a Judeo Christian society is still not as vague as 'being' or nirvana in the eastern world.

Point 2-
"From a distance we are one, therefore Left, Right, Science, Religion, Eastern Philosophies, you name it, are all tied together. Finding the common ground is a moral imperative. Maybe even the only absolute.

- Before the Big Bang there was no knowledge. Definitions began when there was evidence of what was not; I know nothing until I know what I am not. Divide by two and finally I can say, “I know who I am, I am not the other”. Thus being true, we can all trace back to a common existence; there is oneness. Define that oneness and label it “God” and is no atheism or nihilism."---

There is a cool wikipedia article on how the western concept of the subconscious /conscious mind developed out of eastern philosophy. I'll find it later. It sheds a lot of light on why and how the eastern concept of oneness and modern western ideas are often unified or similar.

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